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Re: [lojban] question about ku
I get something out of doing those hunts, so I'll continue doing
them. They're useful to me. Thank you for understanding. :-)
This was all new and surprising to me.
-Alan
On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 09:42:17PM -0500, Luke Bergen wrote:
> Which is not to put down your hunting. Thanks for the links. I really
> should get around to reading through the CLL again. It's been a while and
> I'm getting rusty on some of it.
>
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 9:27 PM, .alyn.post.
> <[1]alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:
>
> dur: correcting myself, it's mentioned:
>
> [2]http://dag.github.com/cll/10/1/
>
> I did a terrible job of looking. :-)
>
> -Alan
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 07:23:39PM -0700, .alyn.post. wrote:
> > Luke, I went hunting and found this in the CLL:
> >
> > [3]http://dag.github.com/cll/20/
> >
> > selma'o KU (Chapter 6, Chapter 10)
> >
> > Elidable terminator for LE and some uses of LA. Indicates the end of
> > a description sumti. Also used after a tense or modal to indicate
> > that no sumti follows, and in the compound NA+KU to indicate natural
> > language-style negation.
> >
> > I didn't find an example of terminating a tense or modal with {ku},
> > but I wasn't exhaustive in my search. I'm happy I found some
> > mention of this usage.
> >
> > -Alan
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 07:08:29PM -0500, Luke Bergen wrote:
> > > This is the meat of my question. My initial guess was that {ba}
> expects a
> > > sumti as is the case with {mi citka lo plise ba lo nu mi xagji} and
> that
> > > putting it before the selbri or terminating it with {ku} is just a
> way of
> > > saying "forget that sumti, it's zo'e or something". But the only way
> of
> > > getting that is for there to be an implicit {lo} OR {ku} is special
> in
> > > that it terminates tags like LE, BAI, BA, (and FA?). But that
> doesn't seem
> > > right because then why wouldn't the ku be necessary in the case of
> {mi ba
> > > [ku] citka lo plise}?
> > >
> > > I wish I understood PEG better.
> > > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Ian Johnson
> <[1][4]blindbravado@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Still no idea why ku can terminate two completely unrelated selma'o,
> > > though.
> > >
> > > mu'o mi'e .latros.
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Luke Bergen
> <[2][5]lukeabergen@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't know why it just occurred to me but... what exactly is "ku"
> > > terminatiging in "baku mi citka"? Is there an implicit "lo" so that
> > > parsers see this as /really/ being something like "baloku mi citka"?
> > > Or is ku just able to terminate "ba"? I didn't know that BA had a
> > > terminator... either way something feels strange.
> > >
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