I disagree. My wife and I jokingly lie to each other all the time.
Her: did you eat the last piece of cake?
Me: ~looks around shadily~ uhhh... no?
I know she won't be deceived, and I don't actually intend to deceive. I'm intentionally telling an untruth in a way that's so bad that I'm effectively comminicating to her that I have eaten the cake. But the word that I said WAS untrue.
Furthermore, if I believe that the sky is pink but I say "the sky is blue" then even though I have said a true _expression_, I would still call that a lie.
These are why I understand a lie to be a statement that describes reality as being different from the reality that the speaker believes to be true. Intent to deceive isn't important and actual truthiness of the statement doesn't matter either.
On Jul 2, 2011 12:45 PM, "Robin Turner" <
boldsirrobin@gmail.com> wrote:
> A false statement is not necessarily a lie; what makes it a lie is the
> intent to deceive. ("Lie" is almost as celebrated a case in semantics
> as "bachelor".) So no word could make something a lie or not, unless
> we have a (self-defeating) attitudinal that says "lying" ;-)
>
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> On 2 July 2011 09:16, Jonathan Jones <
eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Well, lying is deceptive, but it's not necessarily asshole-ish. :D
>>
>> to pu benji di'u fo lo mi me la.android. fonxa toi
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>> mu'o mi'e.aionys.
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>> On Jul 2, 2011 12:13 AM, "Robin Lee Powell" <
rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I don't see a significant distinction between "you are lying" and
>> "you are being a deceptive asshole".
>>
>> -Robin
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 02, 2011 at 01:59:30AM -0400, Alex Rozenshteyn wrote:
>>> That feels like a slippery slop...
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