Re: [lojban] Far away

[Stela Selckiku <selckiku@gmail.com>]

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I originally thought that {vi} and friends were just like {ca} such that {mi
> tcidu vi lo tricu} would be understood as "I read [short-distance-from] a
> tree" and if I had used {vu} instead it would have been "I read
> [long-distance-from] a tree".

That's the old standard definition.

> A while back though, I was corrected by someone or other that I want {bu'u}
> and friends for that sort of thing and that my original sentence actually means
> something else (what it means I don't remember any more).

What it means under the new definition is "I read a short distance
from something, and the length of that distance is a tree."  Utter
nonsense, as trees aren't lengths.

This new definition was invented because there's no other convenient
way to specify distances, which is a FAQ and useful thing to be able
to do.  No one uses termsets, so no one taught nintadni to use
termsets for it.  Someone sometime got the idea-- either accidentally
or intentionally-- to repurpose ZI and VA.  Because it's so
astoundingly useful, it's spread to be perhaps the most common way
those tags are used, even though no one bothered to try to make it
official or, apparently, to convince la gejyspa.

> .ija'ebo I don't use VI/ZI/etc.. any more as tags.  How SHOULD I be using
> them (given either school of thought that selkik was talking about)

{mi kelci vi lo tricu}

Old School: I play near a tree.
New School: I play near something, and the distance I'm from it is
tree. (nonsense)

{mi zutse zu'a lo tricu vi lo mitre}

Old School: I sit to the left of a tree, a short distance from a
meter. (nonsense)
New School: I sit one meter to the left of a tree.

{mi zutse zu'a vi lo mitre bu'u lo tricu}

Old School: I sit a short distance to the left of a meter at a tree. (nonsense)
New School: I sit to the left one meter from at a tree. (pretty much
the same meaning as the last one, but allows you to rearrange the
distance and origin)

{zu'a vi bu'u lo tricu mi zutse gi'e kelci}

Old School and New School: Slightly to the left of a tree, I sit and play.

{mi zutse gi'e kelci vau zu'a nu'i lo tricu la'u lo mitre}

Old School: I sit and play one meter to the left of a tree.
New School: Termsets?  What the mabla is that?!

.ua nai bu'o cu'i dai

mu'omi'e la stela selckiku

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