Re: [lojban] fagricipni's Translations #1

["H. Felton" <lojban707@fagricipni.com>]

On Tue, 2011-10-11 at 12:59 -0400, Michael Turniansky wrote:

> 
> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:19 AM, fagricipni <lojban707@fagricipni.com>
wrote:
>>My current attempt is a translation is of:
>>
>>"Man's mind is his basic tool of survival"
>>(Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged)
>>
>>I have decided to use "prenu" as the translation of "Man".
>>
>>My translation is:
>>
>>jicmu pilno lo menli be lo prenu be'o lo za'i renvi
>>
>>I have intentionally left two blanks here; both of which are
>>intended to be clearly intended to be filled with the same
>>"lo prenu" that is a linked sumti of "lo menli": one is the
>>first place of "pilno" the other is the first place of the
>>abstracted "renvi".

>I would think you would be better off moving the lo prenu out of the be
level and making it the x1 of the main bridi ("lo prenu cu jicmu pilno
lo menli lo za'i renvi") since a) who else's mind would he use? and b)
you want to make as assertion ("Man basically uses a mind for
survival"), not just an observative ("There's a basic user of a mind of
man for survival").  But if you want to keep the emphasis of the
original, put the mind up front: "lo menli be lo prenu cu jicmu tutci lo
z'i renvi")
>      --gejyspa

Yes, I made the mistake of not running a word search through my 
gismu list; I was familiar with "pilno" from it being talked 
about in the section on modal places, but "tutci" is obviously a 
much better choice -- I like your translation much better 
(well, except for the fact that you managed to drop the "a" 
from "za'i").


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