Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable

["John E. Clifford" <kali9putra@yahoo.com>]

Sorry, I seem to have missed the point.  I took the failure of {su'o djacu} to be because  "at least one" did not get to the minimum possibility, hence the need to go to "more than zero".  But that was me getting mixed up in the surrounding talk about{pi} and {lo}.

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 21, 2011, at 12:53, And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com> wrote:

> John E Clifford, On 21/10/2011 16:35:
>> I don't see why; {djacu} is as quantized as every other Lojban predicate.
> 
> You don't agree that half an amount of water is also an amount of water?
> 
> --And.
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: And Rosta<and.rosta@gmail.com>
>> To: lojban@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Fri, October 21, 2011 6:52:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural
>> variable
>> 
>> Martin Bays, On 21/10/2011 05:12:
>>> * Thursday, 2011-10-20 at 23:25 -0400 - Pierre Abbat<phma@phma.optus.nu>:
>>> 
>>>> On Thursday 20 October 2011 22:06:58 And Rosta wrote:
>>>>> When I was last up-to-date with developments, nothing was official, but I
>>>>> think I can recall the rudiments of our best efforts at that time to
>>>>> construct a consistent and rational gadri system. As far as I now recall,
>>>>> "half an apple" would be "lo pi mu plise", while "pi mu lo plise" would be
>>>>> the "one in every two apples" one.
>>>> 
>>>> If "pimu lo plise" means "one in every two apples", then "pa lo plise" should
>>>> mean "every apple". I think "lo pimu plise" is "a half apple"
>>> 
>>> But {lo PA broda cu broda} is meant to be a tautology. Half-apples
>>> aren't apples.
>> 
>> So {lo pi mu plise cu plise} fails that test, but {lo pi mu djacu cu djacu}
>> passes it.
>> 
>> Following a line of thought that that observation initiates, I note that by the
>> Goatleg rule, {su'o plise} is okay but {su'o djacu} is not and would instead
>> have to be {za'u djacu} or {ci'i djacu}.
>> 
>> --And.
>> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group.
> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.