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Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable
Martin Bays, On 06/11/2011 15:10:
* Sunday, 2011-11-06 at 05:16 -0800 - John E Clifford<kali9putra@yahoo.com>:
Le'see. I think I understand what is going on here. Let me say it out for
corrections and then I can get on (though I will comment on this understanding
now).
Let me summarise from my own (entirely neutral, natch) perspective.
And and xorxes are indeed putting forward their SAE-denying metaphysics.
I think that "SAE-denying is a misnomer". Ready-Madeism corresponds to traditional Western logic, but not to anything in the languages. I admit I have never read Whorf on SAE, but I would like more evidence (chapter and verse, or quotes, or google books urls) before accepting that Whorf describes Ready-Madeism as SAE.
If anything, you could say that Blobularism is SAE or SAW (Standard Average World, because this sort of semantic feature is far more likely to be a language universal than a sprachbund feature), since it is arrived at not aprioristically like Ready-Made is, but rather is arrived at by induction from natural language semantics.
I was pointing out that one consequence of such a metaphysics is the
presence of effective ambiguities in quantifier scope, much like those
in english. They seem to think that this isn't a problem, because they
are only *effective* ambiguities.
Also, the quasiambiguities are ineluctable and arise not from the language but from the world it describes.
--And.
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