Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable

[John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>]

Well, given the permutations that xorlo has gone through over the years since it 
became official, there were probably times when it was overtly bloburist, though 
the usual state seems to me to have been Readymadeist (if if you want to insist 
on a difference), as witness the introduction of plural reference, which was 
thought a big step forward.  Of course, I know that xorxes has always had 
inchoate and usually terribly ill-formed blobularist ideas in mind, but none of 
them ever eventuated in any of the "final" versions of xorlo and usually 
disappeared without a trace or with only the salvageable (readymadeist) parts.



----- Original Message ----
From: And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, November 6, 2011 2:23:57 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural 
variable

Martin Bays, On 06/11/2011 19:02:
> * Sunday, 2011-11-06 at 09:26 -0800 - John E Clifford<kali9putra@yahoo.com>:
>
>> The fact that something can screw up in English seem poor evidence that the
>> "corresponding" thing screws up in Lojban.
>
>> So I am uncionvinced.
>
> What are you unconvinced by? That this "screw up" occurs in xorxes and
> and's understanding of lojban? Or that their understanding is correct
> (whatever that means)?

Regarding understanding of Lojban, I think pretty much all jboskepre understand 
that 99% of what jboskepre discuss is currently undefined for Lojban, not 
necessarily because it is so arcane but more because, at least until Robin tried 
to change this last year or thereabouts, there was no mechanism for completing 
the official specification of Lojban. However, I gather that xorlo did become 
official. It seems odd that anybody would be unconvinced that xorlo was 
Blobularist, at least in intention, though perhaps somebody might want to try to 
argue that xorlo needn't be Blobularist. So the focus of the discussion has been 
on the putative problems of Blobularism and therefore of xorlo.

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