Re: [lojban] Re: Rhetoric and Oratory, "the fruit of Arabic"

What he is saying is a relationship let's call it "%" between two statements, A and B, can be represented in the following way:

A B A%B

True True

True False

False True

False False

Now, how do we fill in that last column? Well, in the case of inclusive or, it's True, True, True, False. In the case of Exclusive Or, it's False, True, True, False.

Now, since the first two columns are always in a standard order, we don't really need to talk about them. We can just say that "A inclusive or B" is "True, True, True, False" and A xor B is " False, True, True, False. ". And to be really compact, we can substitute T or F for True and False, making them "TTTF" and "FTTF" respectively. Or we can use "1" for true, and "0" for false, yielding "1110" and "0110". Clearer?

--gejyspa

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

Doesn't mean it makes sense to me.

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 1:03 PM, ianek <janek37@gmail.com> wrote:

He's speaking thruth tables.

On 16 Mar, 19:34, Jonathan Jones <eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have no idea what that means.
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> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, John E. Clifford <kali9pu...@yahoo.com>wrote:

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> > "or" in English (and logic, where we are supposed to be) is <1110>. It's
> > apparent use for niff/xor, <0110> is determined pragmatically by the
> > elimination of the <11> line in context.
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> > Sent from my iPad
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> > On Mar 16, 2012, at 7:41 AM, MorphemeAddict <lytl...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > "Or" is not often ambiguous in context.
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> > stevo
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> > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Jonathan Jones < <eyeo...@gmail.com>
> > eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> "or" in English (not logic) is ambiguous as to whether it means .a or
> >> .onai., so it doesn't count.
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> >> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 8:12 PM, John E. Clifford <<kali9pu...@yahoo.com>
> >> kali9pu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> >>> Speaking as a logician and thus a sort of mathematician, I note that
> >>> "or" is shorter. XOR is, of course, xor.
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> >>> Sent from my iPad
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> >>> On Mar 15, 2012, at 7:04 PM, Jonathan Jones < <eyeo...@gmail.com>

> >>> eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>> I like to distinguish between xor and and/or, because English is
> >>> ambiguous as to which is meant. "a/o" is just the shortest possible way to
> >>> say .a
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> >>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:09 PM, MorphemeAddict < <lytl...@gmail.com><lytl...@gmail.com>
> >>> lytl...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>>> Oh. Of course.
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> >>>> stevo
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> >>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 7:05 PM, John E Clifford <<kali9pu...@yahoo.com><kali9pu...@yahoo.com>
> >>>> kali9pu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> >>>>> andor, i.e. or
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> >>>>> *From:* MorphemeAddict < <lytl...@gmail.com> <lytl...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> lytl...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> *To:* <lojban@googlegroups.com> <lojban@googlegroups.com>
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> >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2012 5:21 PM
> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [lojban] Re: Rhetoric and Oratory, "the fruit of

> >>>>> Arabic"
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> >>>>> What does "a/o" mean? From the context it seems to mean 'in or about'.
> >>>>> Googling didn't help.
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> >>>>> stevo
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> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Jonathan Jones < <eyeo...@gmail.com><eyeo...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>>>> I really wish buroq would just stick to Arabic a/o Lojban. I can never
> >>>>> understand his English. I'm betting Google Translate used on his Arabic
> >>>>> would even give better English, and that's saying something.
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> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Muhammad an-Nuqrashi <<muhammad.n...@gmail.com><muhammad.n...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> muhammad.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>>>> Buroq usually omitted the 'be' copula in many places where in Arabic a
> >>>>> 'be' verb/copula isn't needed... This goes on true with adjectives,
> >>>>> placement and presence of the/a, etc... I basically took the meanings of
> >>>>> his words and put them in Arabic ignoring the syntax and grammar he used...
> >>>>> I ended up with a pretty understandable Arabic piece and I added some bits
> >>>>> of my own after translation...
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> >>>>> MN
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