Re: [lojban] Re: Are Natlang the best case for entropy in communication ?

[Escape Landsome <escaaape@gmail.com>]

> No. No more argument. If you do not provide /evidence/, you will /never/
> convince me.


I just noticed that 10 minutes ago I've written this :

> Considering that nobody has metrics for Lojban or for the general case
> of paradigms in totally any language, you won't have more than
> qualitative argument based on mathematical properties of complexity
> measures and generic minorations/majorations of allowed values.

> Thus, the genetic argument is roughly the one given here --->
> http://bluemoon.lescigales.org/Kholok/CollectiveDesambiguation.html

Now, << the genetic argument >> was mistyped !  I meant << the geneRic
argument >>.

But everybody here understood me well.   Why ?  Because either the
difference between both words "genetic" and "generic" is slight in
context, or you had correctly CORRECTED me.

That is to say, the choice between X = { generic, genetic } has low
entropy in THIS utterance.

We could study other examples where a single mistyping of a single
letter would happen.

For instance in French : << et alors elle a ouvert la mouche pour
parler >> is correctly understood as << la bouche >> instead of << la
mouche >>.   Still the set X of all possible choices is big : X = {
bouche, couche, douche, louche, mouche, souche, touche }

But the context prevents other Xouche words than body organs to be
selected, so the entropy is very low in context.

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Now consider a lojban sentence where somebody would talk of a number
of people in a room, he would use so'V but would mistype the V letter.

The X set has 5 elements but none of them can be best selected given
the context.

Hence we conclude the entropy would be high in context.

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If we consider all these examples, we see the last example entropy is
high because of the gathering of VERY OFTEN-USED FEATURES in a VERY
NARROW SET of VERY SIMILAR FORMS, which is not the case of the former
examples, since for those the paradigms are not natural.

Hence you see the lojban case has very high entropy while the two
natlang examples have not.   If this is not so, GIVE ME A NATLANG
EXAMPLE WITH NATURAL PARADIGM AND 5 ALTERNATIVES OR MORE, given the
same condition of mistyping of A SINGLE LETTER.

The difference of greatness in entropy in lojban and natlang examples
is so flagrant you don't even need to measure it, as if we were
speaking of the size of an elephant compared to the size of a mouse.

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