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Re: [lojban] modals inside description sumti (za'e "internal-modals") question

On Saturday, August 18, 2012 6:25:21 AM UTC-5, selpa'i wrote:
Am 18.08.2012 02:33, schrieb Pierre Abbat:
> You can't use BAI as a tense. It's a proper preposition; if you put it just
> before the selbri, it adds a place to the predicate and leaves it unfilled.
>
> A string of tense markers just before a selbri is grammatical:
> pu be'a sanli
> But a string of prepositions including BAI is not:
> *ca gau farvi
> *gau ca farvi
> ca farvi gau
> gau ku ca farvi
> *bai ta'i zbasu
> bai zbasu ta'i
This rule makes little sense and is an unnecessary restriction that
shouldn't (and in my opinion doesn't) even exist. I don't know why you
always mention "proper prepositions" and distinguish them from tenses.
There is no difference between tenses and BAI, they all add places to
the bridi, they all tag a sumti, they all can be used as selbri tcita,
which is like filling them with zo'e.
I'm confused by this as well. I could almost understand not wanting to follow a tense with BAI, since {bai broda} expands to {bai zo'e broda} and preceding those with a {pu} is awkward (and I believe causes them to differ in meaning). However, I've always parsed {pu broda} as something that modifies the selbri and produces a nuanced selbri, which should always be able to be preceded by BAI, in my mind. That is:
{gau ca farvi} expands to {gau ku ca farvi} and nothing happened! Yay!

So, in my mind, it makes sense to be able to precede selbri with as many PU as desired, then as many BAI as desired. I'd like to be able to do the other order as well, just so long as nobody tries to split PU up, which is just silly.

mu'o mi'e djos

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