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Re: [lojban] Re: A new Lojbanic wiki (LMW). On the threshold of the 25th anniversary of Lojban
Let me see if I understand:
1) you create a new platform and obsolete the work I've done.
2) you make it my problem that my data isn't available.
Did I miss anything?
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 06:02:03AM -0800, la gleki wrote:
> Lojbananas, I've switched off my creative mind recently so my future work
> on LMW will be exclusively described as "add and add and add... and
> stupidly add more content".
> So my questions.
> 1. If you want ALL the pages from the old wiki migrated please contact
> camgusmis or other people that have access to TikiWiki yourself to get a
> dump of all pages. If you can show that your method of importing it back
> to your own distribution of mediawiki works then of course together with
> me we'll import all the pages to LMW.
> 1a. If you (tsani + me + probably some other jbopre) don't like pages for
> geeks being present there why not move them into a separate namespace or
> just prefix them with "Pages for developers/" or similar string?
> 2. What plugins do you currently need?
> SemanticMW.... got it.
> anything else?
>
> On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 11:47:05 PM UTC+4, .alyn.post. wrote:
>
> I like the suggestion of a {{cleanup}} template. I've been working
> on general workflow templates over at OpenCog:
>
> [1]http://wiki.opencog.org/w/Curation
>
> And they are similar to this idea. You can mark a page as a
> {{stub}}, mark it as work in progress ({{WIP}})* write it until
> it's a {{proposal}}, and then {{withdraw}} it if it's a bad idea
> or tag it with a {{version}} if it becomes a feature. Later work
> may cause it to be {{obsolete}} and if you don't keep it in sync
> it might get {{out of date}}.
>
> These templates also take care to register the pages in the
> appropriate namespaces, so a curator can see which pages are in
> which categories. I like workflow processes like this because any
> effort has a 'long tail' of incomplete, partial, bad, and promising
> ideas that don't quite fit into the existing structure of the wiki.
>
> mi'e .alyn.
>
> * = adding that is on my list, it doesn't exist yet.
>
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:29:43AM -0800, vruxir wrote:
> > I'm of the opinion that it would benefit a future Wiki if it has
> imported
> > ALL the contents from the TWiki. If that can be done automatically,
> then
> > hopefully there's also a way to automatically place a "Cleanup" box
> at the
> > top of each imported article, saying something to the effect of:
> > "This article was imported from the old [2]lojban.org Tiki Wiki and
> may not
> > meet the content and style guidelines of this Wiki. Please see our
> > _content and style guidelines_ and clean up this article. If you
> feel that
> > the article is named inappropriately, the article can be moved to a
> new
> > name. Do not remove this tag until the article is up to standards."
> > Then you'll want to have some content and style guidelines,
> probably
> > inspired by Wikipedia or other successful Wikis.
> > (When you move an article to a new name, the old name becomes a
> redirect;
> > if you replace the old name with a new article, you can insert tags
> at the
> > top of the article with suggestions to visit the moved article.
> See, for
> > example, the top of the article
> [1][3]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation
> > )
> > If there is a debate about what a word really MEANS, then I would
> think
> > the article about that word needs to report the differing
> viewpoints
> > (including CLL's viewpoint) and what level of support the
> viewpoints
> > have. Then the actual continuing debate over the meaning of the
> word could
> > go in the Discussion tab, OR if it's possible to create another tab
> with a
> > more appropriate name (e.g. "Grammar Debate"), do that and leave
> the
> > Discussion tab for talking about the quality of the article itself.
> > By importing all the TWiki content to the new Wiki (and marking
> them all
> > for "cleanup"), you can safely redirect people from the TWiki to
> the new
> > Wiki if/when it has been demonstrated that the new Wiki is
> superior, and
> > you don't have to worry about losing important discussions.
> > mu'o mi'e vruxir
> > On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:16:51 PM UTC-5, .alyn.post. wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 04:21:14AM -0800, la gleki wrote:
> > > * We're making a fresh start, so why not keep it clean?
> >
> > To be contrary a moment,
> >
> > I've put a lot of work in writing and organizing TWiki pages.
> I'm
> > happy to have them migrated to mediawiki, but I'm more-or-less
> being
> > told that the work I've done on TWiki isn't valuable ("fresh
> start").
> > Any work I would do on the new wiki would need to access/refer
> to/
> > modify the pages I have worked on than are in TWiki.
> >
> > I'd love to have them imported to Mediawiki, but as things stand
> I feel
> > like work I've put into the wiki is more-or-less being deleted
> (you can
> > call it archiving if you want) and I'm wondering what the heck I
> would
> > be expected to do with the new wiki when all the content I want
> to work
> > on is in the old wiki.
> >
> > mi'e .alyn.
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> > References
> >
> > Visible links
> > 1. [8]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation
> > 2. [9]https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/01evXYCxTw8J
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> References
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> Visible links
> 1. http://wiki.opencog.org/w/Curation
> 2. http://lojban.org/
> 3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation
> 4. https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/01evXYCxTw8J
> 5. javascript:
> 6. javascript:
> 7. http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en
> 8. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation
> 9. https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/01evXYCxTw8J
> 10. https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/WCfLQSvTsUQJ
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