Re: Please answer a book design opinion question (was Re: [lojban] CLL 1.1/ CLL 2.0. What is your opinion in the current situation?)

[Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn@gmail.com>]

My preferences are in the following order, from best to worst:

1. A page index.
2. An index that refers to section and paragraph numbers, if every
page has a section number, and every paragraph in the book is
numbered. I have used reference materials which worked that way, and
they were successful. Such an index does not change if typsetting or
layout were to re-flow text to different pages.
3. No index.
4. No CLL 2.0.

Auto-indexing a book from a source file in XML is a feature of Adobe
InDesign. I would love to use that to produce CLL 2.0, but have met
resistance to it in the past.

-Eppcott

On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1
>
> Though, it's a lot easier for me to say "Yes, amazing index is essential"
> when I'm not the one doing the work.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 3:43 PM, .alyn.post.
> <alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:39:57PM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
>> > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 08:31:37PM +0000, And Rosta wrote:
>> > > Robin Lee Powell, On 19/11/2012 20:26:
>> > > >On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 08:19:45PM +0000, And Rosta wrote:
>> > > >>Robin Lee Powell, On 19/11/2012 18:52:
>> > > >>>Oh, and that the PDF needs to be something we can send to a
>> > > >>>printer to make a book out of, so (in particular) cross
>> > > >>>references need to be page number based (which is why we can't
>> > > >>>just print the HTML, or anything converted from it; I haven't
>> > > >>>found anything that produces page number xrefs from html, much
>> > > >>>as I'd *LOVE* to solve the whole thing that way).
>> > > >>
>> > > >>If the book's subsections are sufficiently short, wouldn't
>> > > >>cross-references to subsections, rather than to page numbers,
>> > > >>suffice? Many academic books do work thus.
>> > > >
>> > > >Well, you've got a copy of the red book, what do you think? :)
>> > > >
>> > > >Can you show me such a book?  I've never seen that.  Maybe
>> > > >something on Amazon where the "look in this book" is working?
>> > >
>> > > I haven't time to do that. I'd just suggest that since this page
>> > > number issue is an impediment to progress, you set it aside. The
>> > > extra progress you could make by setting it aside outweighs any
>> > > benefit of specific page refs.
>> >
>> > OK.  Can other people weigh in here?  If you were reading a
>> > technical book that had no page number based index, wouldn't that
>> > shock you?  Wouldn't you be all like "what a pack of losers"?  I
>> > think I would.
>> >
>> > I've been assuming that that's just totally unacceptable, but I'm
>> > willing to be persuaded otherwise.
>> >
>>
>> I feel roughly aligned with you.  If we publish a book describing a
>> logical language and we can't be bothered to properly
>> cross-reference it I'd wonder about us more than I already do.
>>
>> Honestly, A good index is worth doing by hand, if that's what it
>> takes.
>>
>> mi'e .alyn.
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