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Re: [lojban] Revising mu'ei and CAhA once again. Possible worlds.

si'au It has become a bad habit to resume old infamous topics :D.
But since J.Clifford asked several weeks ago how I had solved the problem of subjunctives in Lojban I assume that our conversation here wasn't clear enough.

Besides, the following topics were ignored:
  1. the topic of {cumki} wasn't touched although Robin clearly mentioned it as one of useful words. Besides, ignoring predicates is ignoring Loglandic goals  themselves.
  2. Loglan. We have touched all the pages from Lojbanic twiki on subjunctiveness but haven't touched other languages. Namely, Loglan.
  3. gua\spi hasn't been touched
  4. Ithkuil (which is kinda The Guinness Book of Records of Rare Languages) has some solutions that are to be revised.
In this message I present the table with all parts found in Lojbanistan and in mia system of Loglan'1996.
Ithkuil and loglandic examples adapted to lojban will be presented next time (me being a lojbanist is not a paid job so i'm not thinking of lojban every minute).

In the file  attached you can see all solutions including loglandic. They wonderfully fit into one table.
Note the addition of {lakne/la'a} to the analysis.

Also note that la tsani recently suggested that {sei} should belong to the same semantic class as {fi'o}.
If it's a fate of Lojban to become as simple as gua\spi and lose attitudinals (i.e. {sei}) vs. normal brivla (i.e. {fi'o}) distinction,
well, here I am.
If you don't agree with that you may replace {sei} with experimental cmavo {xoi} that is basically {fi'o se} but a bit better defined.

On Saturday, September 1, 2012 4:24:08 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:
Am 01.09.2012 08:18, schrieb la gleki:
> I don't see much difference. Who counts over possible worlds? The
> speaker. Does {romu'ei} mean really every possible world? I think it
> refers to all the possible worlds that the speaker has in mind.

Well, since mu'ei is ROI, it only refers to PA worlds in which the
tagged event is true. Since the speaker chooses the zo'e, it does indeed
refer to worlds that the speaker chooses to include. However, if the
zo'e is very far from what the audience might expect, you should
probably indicate that explicitly. Still, you are technically right.

mi do ro mu'ei lo du'u mi .e do zasti cu prami
I love you in every possible world in which you and I exist.(which is
quite an exaggeration, but has a nice poetic effect)

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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