Re: [lojban] searching

[John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>]

Oh dear, is this one going around again?  {lo} is not intensional (whatever that means exactly), even in xorlo (except when xorxes go off on a tangent). {lo broda} refers to brodas, not brodaness or Mr. Broda or whatever, and brodas in the present UD, not in cloud-cuckooland.  Existence, unmodified, refers to existence in the putative "real world", a subset of the UD for logical purposes.  If the extension of {broda} is null in the UD, then {lo broda} is improper, although, pragmatically, using it enlarges the UD to include at least one broda (assuming that the _expression_ is allowed, UDs are collaborative, after all).

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From: selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] searching

la .pycyn. cu cusku di'e
> What if the extension of {crino} is null?  Of course it can't be if {mi
> sisku lo crino} is accepted in the proposed sense, but that is
> questionbegging.

I don't think we're making claims about the extension of {crino} when saying {lo crino}. lo is an intensional article. The deer example makes this quite clear, we can be looking for deer even if none exist. So there is no problem if the extension is null.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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