Re: [lojban] 'good or simple' vs 'good, or simple'

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Subject: Re: [lojban] 'good or simple' vs 'good, or simple'

From: John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>

Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 11:15:02 -0700 (PDT)

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The oldest solution may yet be the best.

From: Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] 'good or simple' vs 'good, or simple'

Either I'm completely misunderstanding the situtations being described here, or people have rejected for soem reason the ji/je'i/ge'i/gi''i mechanism, which you have completely avoided (as has the webpage pointed to)??

do djica lo ckafi ji lo tcati -- done.

--gejyspa

On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

.i.e'u cuxna lo pamei lo ckafi .e lo tcati

You shouldn't have logical "and" there; I concede that the irrealis attitudinal scope can be argued to fix it,

How? Neither (what I believe is the correct expansion):

.e'u ge cuxna lo pamei lo ckafi gi cuxna lo pamei lo tcati

nor:

ge .e'u cuxna lo pamei lo ckafi gi .e'u cuxna lo pamei lo tcati

(which I don't think is the correct expansion) are anything like what is wanted.

mu'o mi'e xorxes
With great handwaving you could argue that there just isn't an expansion. I personally would likely read it as the first expansion, which is of course not what is desired. I agree that it is a bad idea.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o
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