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Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla

On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:12 AM, la arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, May 30, 2013 3:10:18 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 3:45 AM, la arxokuna <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, May 30, 2013 11:07:11 AM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote:
On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 22:12:25 la arxokuna wrote:
> adjectives are NOI-clauses.
> Adverbs are sei-clauses or fi'o-clauses.
> Alternatively, both of them are tanru.

A NOI clause is a relative clause.

Yes, and relative clauses are adjectives.

No.

A cat which is black = black cat

"which is black" is not a adjective. A phrase is not an adjective.
 
I'm not sure what you mean by "fi'o-
clauses"; I think you mean a prepositional phrase. Neither is an adjective or
adverb;

they are adverbs.

No.
 
those parts of speech, which are classes of single words, don't exist
in Lojban.

All SAE languages have adverbs. Lojban is no exception.

Lojban is not an SAE language.

Lojban must optionally work as a SAE language. Otherwise it's alien and not usable by SAE-speakers.

No, Lojban mustn't do anything. And no, it's not unusable by speakers of SAE languages if it doesn't conform to SAE. Japanese isn't SAE, and yet there are many English-natives who are perfectly capable of speaking it.
 
There is no syntactic difference between "le mlatu cu blabi" and "le
blabi cu mlatu", indicating that "mlatu" and "blabi" belong to the same part
of speech.

{le mlatu} is a noun.

*sumti
 
{mlatu} is a verb.

*selbri


The more you replace understandable terms to fenki terms the fewer people are willing to learn Lojban.
Of course it's your choice but please don't try ban other terminologies for the same language.

The more you use incorrect terms the more you will confuse people and cause them to make mistakes based on faulty assumptions. {LO broda} is not a noun, it is a sumti. The English equivalent of sumti is "argument". {broda} is not a verb, it is a selbri: "relationship word".

It's not a matter of choice, it's not a matter of banning, it's a matter of using an accurate term to describe a part of speech. "noun", "verb", "adjective", "adverb", etc., are not accurate words to describe any part of Lojban speech, and it's certainly not crazy to use words that are.

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