On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 09:38:36AM -0700, John E Clifford wrote: > anaphoric pronouns, reduplicated connectives, right ends of > various constructions (to match the intentions, not just fit the rules). > That'll do for starters and all of them about practical things. None of these are discussed here, but I get what you mean. > Whether cmevla are brevla is definitely not in the list; > it is about saving a handful of lines in a grammar. That was my point. > Well, it depends upon what you mean by a real users group. > I don't know what the figures are for Lojban (nor how they > might be arrived at) but, at the moment, at least Klingon, > Dothraki, Na'vi, and toki pona that I know of claim followings > in the hundreds (again, I have no idea where the numbers come from). No way, Dothraki is a fully specified and used language? %^D Ok, sure, why not... > As for simplicity, assuming there were some objective measure of that, > I doubt that Lojban would do that well against, say, toki pona, > even setting aside the problem of learning 10,000 words or so. I was talking about full-fledged languages. :^D > Even Esperanto is simpler -- for educated Westerners -- > than Lojban (even including vocab learning). But less consistant to the best of my knowledge. And not everybody is an educated Westerner. > Don't worry about splitting the community; it never was nor ever could be a unity. > We will go on, squabbling every inch of the way and yet come up > with a decent language at any given point and any given speaker. Hehe, good to hear that. > speaking as a logician, there is a right way, > or at least several equally right ways, and as a result, a large number of wrong ways. > None of those are listed above but are high on my personal list. Wow, I didn't think there are _still_ logicians who don't agree with Carnap on that matter: > "It is not our business to set up prohibitions, but to arrive at conventions... > In logic there are no morals. Everyone is at liberty to build up his own logic, > i.e. his own language, as he wishes. All that is required of him is that, > if he wishes to discuss it, he must state his methods clearly, and give > syntactical rules instead of philosophical arguments." -- The Logical Syntax of Language, §17 (1937) v4hn
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