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Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla



The problem with jokes in philosophy is that they often turn out to be new theories, unrecognized even by the original joker.  taDA!

And, of course, you miss the crucial point that it is not clear that {la tsani be zo'e} does identify the same referent as {la tsani}; the buried assumption, that sumti-tails behave the same after {la} as after {le}, is one of the items in dispute. 



From: "Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG" <lojbab@lojban.org>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla

selpa'i wrote:
>> I am saying that as far as Lojban is concerned "{la tsani} and {la tsani
>> be zo'e}" are linguistically equivalent, and there is no way to say "la
>> tsani" such that it DOESN'T include a possible value in the unspecified
>> places; they are there and they are "zo'e", if nothing else.
>
> I understand your position. However, I doubt la tsani would agree that
> his name is "tsani be zo'e".

I'm on the point of asking "why should I care what la tsani would agree that his name is?"  His legal name is whatever the government accepts as his legal name.  His name in usage is whatever someone chooses to call him.

> It's not the same name as it is a different string of sounds.

It doesn't matter whether it is the same name.  All a name is, is a method of identifying a referent.  All names which identify the same referent are names for that referent.

>> And dotside or no dotside, I will never accept someone's choice of name
>> to be "la" %^)
>
> That's your private business, but don't expect everyone else to follow
> your personal preference here.

You seem unable to recognize a joke even if explicitly marked as one.

lojbab
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President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc.

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