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Re: [lojban] completely off-topic



In my understanding, in order for any letteral to be used as a pro-sumti, the referent has to be used in full first.

In other words, {gy.} doesn't automagically refer to a dog unless {lo gerku} has been uttered in the conversation.

Coupling that with the fact I don't think anyone had ever referred to something with anything other than a letter ({la.alis.} -> {.abu}, not {denpa bu}), and I'd say that {me'o} is just an extra two unnecessary syllables.

On Dec 22, 2013 4:07 PM, "iesk" <pa.fae@gmx.de> wrote:
Le dimanche 22 décembre 2013 22:49:13 UTC+1, aionys a écrit :

As I said, I'm not talking about pro-sumti.

I think bare letteral {denpa bu} acts as a pro-sumti. That's why I fail to understand your sentence the way I believe it is meant to be understood.

>The Dot Side doesn't refer to using letterals as pro-sumti, as in the {by.} in {la.benjis. gerku .i by. barda}. It refers to
>the practice of leading cmevla with a "." so that the letteral groups "la", "lai", and "doi" can be used in them. (As for
>example {la.doitcland.} or {la.las,andjeles.}).

I understand that. But Dot Side doesn't change the way bare letterals are interpreted as anaphora. The weird thing about {denpa bu} as an anaphora is that it is unlikely to be used as such, since the words it could possibly refer to can't start with denpa bu. (Although, technically, they can, since every 'vowel-initial' word starts with {.V…}, but the canonical anaphora is of course {.V bu}, not {denpa bu}. Which makes sense.)

I think that {me'o denpa bu} is the way to say 'dot' (in the lerfu sense), cf. <http://dag.github.io/cll/17/10/>. But I'll be happy to be corrected, I tend to not get the subtleties.

(By the way, {lasandjeles} is not a well-formed word, even under Dot Side; {ndj} is not a valid cluster.)

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