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Re: [lojban] completely off-topic



This seems to say that the name of a letter can not be used to refer to the letter but that such a reference requires longer _expression_.  This is inherently implausible, since a name is, by definition, used to refer to the thing named.  That it may also be used for other things does not obviate this primary function; it just means you have to be careful.  The written form is particularly tricky, since the theory seems
to be that the letter can be anaphoric, not the name of the letter, though the conventions do not distinguish well under the isomorphism.

From: iesk <pa.fae@gmx.de>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] completely off-topic

Le dimanche 22 décembre 2013 22:49:13 UTC+1, aionys a écrit :

As I said, I'm not talking about pro-sumti.

I think bare letteral {denpa bu} acts as a pro-sumti. That's why I fail to understand your sentence the way I believe it is meant to be understood.

>The Dot Side doesn't refer to using letterals as pro-sumti, as in the {by.} in {la.benjis. gerku .i by. barda}. It refers to
>the practice of leading cmevla with a "." so that the letteral groups "la", "lai", and "doi" can be used in them. (As for
>example {la.doitcland.} or {la.las,andjeles.}).

I understand that. But Dot Side doesn't change the way bare letterals are interpreted as anaphora. The weird thing about {denpa bu} as an anaphora is that it is unlikely to be used as such, since the words it could possibly refer to can't start with denpa bu. (Although, technically, they can, since every 'vowel-initial' word starts with {.V…}, but the canonical anaphora is of course {.V bu}, not {denpa bu}. Which makes sense.)

I think that {me'o denpa bu} is the way to say 'dot' (in the lerfu sense), cf. <http://dag.github.io/cll/17/10/>. But I'll be happy to be corrected, I tend to not get the subtleties.

(By the way, {lasandjeles} is not a well-formed word, even under Dot Side; {ndj} is not a valid cluster.)
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