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Re: [lojban] [oz] Use of elidable {cu}




On 7 January 2014 12:50, Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:



On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Felipe Gonçalves Assis <felipeg.assis@gmail.com> wrote:
In
http://users.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/hobbies/lojban/grammar/lojban.peg.txt
(where can I find the file used by camxes?)
There is this rule

term-1 <- sumti / ( !gek (tag / FA-clause free*) (sumti / KU-clause? free*) ) / termset / NA-clause KU-clause free*


I don't have a firm grasp of formal grammars, so correct me if I am wrong.

1. This rule is relevant.
2. If we make the KU-clause mandatory, instead of optional, my mental grammar is realized.

term-1 <- sumti / ( !gek (tag / FA-clause free*) (sumti / KU-clause free*) ) / termset / NA-clause KU-clause free*

That's one way of dealing with it, although for my taste it has the disadvantage of making a terminator non-elidable, which is exceptional. Also, because of the silly restrictions on compound tags, you would have to be very aware of which tags can be combined without ku and which strings of tags would require ku insertions to make them work.


I don't see {ku} here as a terminator. To me, {pu ku} is a single entity, used whenever we want to move {pu} away from the selbri.

With regards to compound tags, don't you have to understand the rules anyway to get the correct meaning? Can you give an example?

 
The way I would rather do it is:

term-1 <- sumti / ( !gek (tag !selbri-1 / FA-clause free*) (sumti / KU-clause? free*) ) / termset / NA-clause KU-clause free*

which means that the tag will not be absorbed as a term if it's directly followed by a selbri-1 (in which case it will be absorbed by the selbri rule),


That is a mid-ground more appropriate for an eventual proposal. I would support it.

In production, though, I still prefer to always use {ku}, because I find {gau se ka'a ko'a} and {bai gau se ka'a ko'a} confusing for the same reason: I keep expecting the selbri they refer to.
 
mu'o
mi'e .asiz.

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