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Re: [lojban] Tag compounds' semantics






2014-04-13 20:43 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>:

On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Ilmen <ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com> wrote:
coi ro do,

Is { broda ri'u vi ko'a } equivalent to { broda ri'u zo'e vi ko'a } or to { broda ri'u ko'a vi ko'a }?
 
CLL doesn't say it directly, but for the example you give it would probably go with the latter, since for CLL the sumti complement of VA is the origin of the "imaginary journey", just as for FAhA, and "FAhA VA" combine to describe the same leg of the imaginary journey, so naturally they have the same origin. But for compound tenses that involve two or more FAhA, that is not the case. Each FAhA describes a new leg of the journey, which starts where the previous one left off, so they can't all share the same sumti complement as origin when separated. But the sumti complement of the compound will be the origin for the first leg of the journey, which corresponds to the first FAhA of the series, not the last one,  So "ri'u ga'u ko'a" will break down as "ri'u ko'a ga'u zo'e", not as "ri'u zo'e ga'u ko'a".

In practice, compound tenses don't normally involve multiple FAhA or multiple PU, they usually involve a single PU with a ZI, ZEhA or ZAhO, so the question is not really answered by CLL. My answer is that it is the last component that grabs the sumti.

This example happens in L4B and is not on the Errata page.
I understood {ko'a sanli ri'u vi la meiris.}  as "He stands to the right of me near Mary"
whereas
{ko'a sanli ri'u je vi la meiris.}  would mean "He stands just to the right of Mary", the meaning that L4B showed in the English sentence.

http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/less6space.html


mu'o mi'e xorxes

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