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Re: [lojban] The definition of cmavo.



I forgot to add that in my definition it is said
"x2 is the prefixed with {la'e} {zo} cmavo that represents the class of structure words."

I think la'e is unnecessary here.
This means that in {cmavo zo bai} the word {bai} is the symbol of the set of all cmavo in that selma'o. Or you can say that it has two meaning but since it is limited to Lojban grammar no ambiguity arises when describing outer world.

{zo bai poi valsi} is a word, {zo bai poi selma'o} is a selma'o.
Or alternatively you might still use {cmavo lu'i zo bai} but with the note that by design cmavo2 returns only that set of cmavo that adequately represents the class BAI, not any other set. So {".a", "be", "ci", "do", "fu"} and other sets except the BAI set no pasarán.

Actually the same problem is with letterals.
How to refer to the Lojbanic sound [b] ? {zo by} or {zoi lojb.b.lojb.}? but that's a letter, not a sound.


2014-04-14 8:06 GMT+04:00 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>:
I think it should be just a special sumti type so that cmavo2, cmavrbai1 and K and ma'oi take this type.

However, regarding xorxe's notes cmavo2 may indeed require a special type converter which might be just {ma'oi} indeed
although i can imagine a word that would mean
broda = x1 is a brivla belonging to semantic class x2
and broda2 would be similar to cmavo2.



2014-04-13 23:12 GMT+04:00 Wuzzy <almikes@aol.com>:

You proposed:
> cmavo
> x1 is a structure word of grammatical class x2 (la'e zo), with
> meaning/function x3 in usage (language) x4.
(etc. etc. etc.)

Okay, I have some small questions (about clarification) regarding the
proposal.

In your proposal, which words are allowed to fill x2?

Take the selma'o “A” for example: This selma'o has the words “.a”,
“.e”, “.o”, “.u” and “je”. Which word is allowed to fill x2? Just
“a” (“A” simply lower-cased) or any word of the selma'o A? So that for
example “zo .a cmavo la'e zo .e” would be valid.

Would your proposal /only/ permit the usage of the “zo .a cmavo la'e zo
.a” form? Would the form “zo .a cmavo lo cmavrxavo” be still permitted
or is that out-ruled? Which other forms would be permitted (if any)?


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