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Re: [lojban] Why left-grouping of tanru?






2014-09-05 0:03 GMT+04:00 TR NS <transfire@gmail.com>:


On Thursday, September 4, 2014 2:26:15 PM UTC-4, la gleki wrote:

Did you see the phrase {lo melbi cmalu nixli ckule}?
It means in a "pretty way small girls' school". This is a clear case of string modifiers one after another.


Yes, but I must be missing your point. If it were right grouped by default it would mean: (pretty (small (girls' school))). Which make sense, though it's unlikely the speaker meant the school was pretty --but that's the meaning. On the other hand left grouping means: (((pretty small) girls') school). Which is almost nonsensical --what's a pretty type-of small?

"In a pretty way small". This makes sense. May be so "cute" but only because it's small.
E.g. a puppet might be cute but a giant toy puppet might not lead to similar emotions.

 
In right grouping it'd be the same. Lojban uses {co} to change the direction:

{lo ckule co nixli co cmalu co melbi}


How does this get grouped?

ckule co nixli co cmalu
school of-type (girl of-type small)

which is the same as
( (small) girl ) school

See https://lojban.github.io/cll/5/8/

BTW, "little" would be a more correct term here.


 
 
For previous examples:

{lo karce co barda je xunre}.


As you can see you still cannot delete {je}.
One might imagine a language where {je} would be omitted, however, I wonder why {je}, not {jo'u} or {joi} would be chosen for that.

Hmm.. maybe the confusion is that I don't mean putting the "adjective" after the word it modifies. I just mean applying the tenru to the right first.
 
{karce co barda je xunre} is a tanru. What do you mean of applying tanru? May be applying seltau?
In {barda karce} barda is a seltau and karce is a tertau.


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