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Re: [lojban] Speaker specificity: {.i da'i na vajni}
Well, this spoils my fun somewhat, since I just finished offline a piece that began "The big mistake is taking {le} to be like {lo} rather than like {la}, though Logjam history and pedagogy force that view.". The logical form of {le broda cu brode} is Fa, where're 'a' is a constant term, with no internal structure. Notice that, like {la .broda. brode} we cannot infer that some broda is a brode or that the referent is a broda or even that there is a broda, all of which follow immediately from .{lo broda cu brode}. Whatever connections there may be between the predicate used and the thing referred to are matters of psychology or sociology but not of Logic. I don't mean that {le} collapses to {la} (or conversely), since the connection between predicate and object are typically different in the two cases and the difference may be practically important in figuring out what is referred to 6but, of course, it may also not help at all). The point is that once we turn from trying to figure just how {le} is different from {lo} -- the point of this discussion -- to how it differs from {la}, we can do a bit more useful work with a lot less quibbling (I.e., do some science rather than Philosophy).
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On Sep 30, 2014, at 12:35, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:
> mi pu cusku di'e
>> As I'm not a {le}-user myself, I don't think I'm going to try to put my
>> definition on it. Let the {le}-users define what it means.
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> Although, if {le} is defined as a name, then the other definition I showed is available to define {lo}. Then there would at least be a much clearer difference between the two gadri. And maybe it would make PC happy, too: {le} is a name, and {lo} takes the maximal bunch of brodas :)
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> mi'e la selpa'i mu'o
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