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Re: [bpfk] type-3 fu'ivla with different kinds of rafsi
As Bob points out, it went WAY beyond what Gary and I originally suggested and, in essence, gained consonantal value. It was supposed to make things easier, not more complicated.
tomis
On Oct 27, 2010, at 10:39 PM, Robert LeChevalier wrote:
> Jorge Llambías wrote:
>> That's basically my argument. I would have opposed the change if I had
>> been there at the time, since introducing the apostrophe/x distinction
>> seems worse than the problem you were trying to solve, but I don't see
>> how we could go back on that at this point.
>
> Blame Tommy and Gary Burgess, who convinced me that "x" and its voiced counterpart are common in the world's languages, even if not found in English (we almost ended up having both the voiced and unvoiced sounds, but making the voiced sound in clusters was beyond me).
>
> ' was never supposed to be a full consonantal sound, but rather to have just enough noticeable airflow to not be a glottal stop (which is its intended contrast, not x), and probably shorter than a typical Lojban consonant. But it proved so much easier to teach by equating it to the "h" that English speakers thought the sound was, that we eventually gave up. I'm not skilled at languages myself, and trying to teach a distinction I can't easily make myself was too difficult.
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> lojbab
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