Re: [bpfk] BPFK work

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Robert LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
> Jorge Llambías wrote:
>>
>> The two texts ".i mi gleki" and ".i go'i ra'o"
>> cannot be concatenated into one text without loss of meaning. The
>> single text ".i mi gleki .i go'i ra'o" does not have the same meaning
>> as the exchange of texts ".i mi gleki", ".i go'i ra'o".
>
> That is because the word ra'o has metalinguistic effect that overrides the
> textual concatenation.

Nonsense, but forget about "ra'o" if you want. The two texts ".i mi
gleki", ".i mi gleki" have a different meaning than the concatenated
text ".i mi gleki .i mi gleki".


> If I ask  "ma klama"
>
> and you answer "mi", then we need at least a convention/protocol to know
> whether that means the unbroken text "ma klama mi"  or "ma klama [.i] mi
> [go'i]".  If the default is endless unbroken text (until an explicit fa'o,
> .i, or ni'o), then in most actual Lojban usage, the sumti that occur before
> a selbri would be understood as appending onto the end of the last bridi
> spoken by the prior speaker.

But that has never been the default! Read your lessons, you don't need
to read any "modern" inventions. The default is that a new speaker
starts a new text.

> We probably don't want that because in actual usage, people have NOT
> typically started their conversation turns with .i or ni'o.

Of course not, because it has never been the case that all speakers
speak one single text as default.

> The solution
> has to be metalinguistic; generally an implicit default protocol with
> explicit ways to override that default, which is why I suggested using
> either SEI or COI constructs.

I hope you see now why SEI or COI, or any other selma'o, won't work.
The (formal grammar) parser cannot choose which text to parse. The
selection of the text has to be made by a pre-parser.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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