[lojban-beginners] Re: di'e gimsnu be zo xanka, was Re: the black hole of keyworditis

["Vid Sintef" <picos.picos@gmail.com>]

> Let's consider {ko'a nau ca'a xanka ko'e ko'i}: "ko'a is here-and-now
> actually nervous about ko'e under conditions ko'i"
>
> ko'a has to be a person (or some other entity capable of being
> nervous) and we are claimig that that person is here-and-now
> actually nervous. No problem there.
>
> ko'e is an event, and that event is making ko'a nervous. It may be
> an event that is actually happening, or it may be a potential event,
> since both types of event are capable of making people nervous.
> No problem there either. We could specify {lo nu ca'a broda}
> {lo nu po'u broda} if it's not clear whether the event is actual or
> merely potential. Mary could be here-an-now nervous about
> actually having been caught, or about being caught eventually.
>
> But what is ko'i? Is it an event that is contributing to make ko'a
> nervous, i.e. one without which ko'a would not be nervous, or is
> it just a description of the here-and-now cirumstances, that
> which happens to be the case in the background but is not
> contributing to make ko'a nervous?
>
> Neither option is very satisfying. If it's just the background, why
> is it such an important information that it needs to be part of
> the place structure? Most gismu don't have an "under conditons"
> place and yet all events happen under some background
> circumstances.
>
> If it's a necessary condition for ko'a being nervous, then how
> is x3 different from x2? Why do we need to split that which
> is making ko'a nervous into two separate bits?
>
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes


IMHO, x3 might be information about x1's mental/psychological
condition. An individual's susceptibility to his/her circumstances can
change occasionally, which will then influence their either internal
or external behaviour. The state of being nervous is a mental event,
which is routed in one's own psychology, which is generally subject to
fluctuation. (The quality of) Mary's being nervous of the police, for
example, is conditional. If she is heavily drunken or drugged, she may
not react to tu'a loi pulji in an usual/anticipated way. Or, she may
be nervous because of some particular epistemological background that
is worth mentioning. Some possibilities are:

la meris no'e xanka le nu selkavbu loi pulji kei le nu vo'a ca xumsenva

la meris xanka le nu selkavbu loi pulji kei le nu vo'a djuno le du'u
le tolselfla gasnu cu ji'o vamji makau

la meris xanka le nu selkavbu lei pulji kei le nu vo'a pensi genai
tu'a lo flalu gi le du'u py ka'e mutce vilgau vi le briju


mu'o mi'e vid