Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: my first translation

[".arpis." <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com>]

> Regardless, the emphasis of plurality is unimportant given the context in
> which these words are actually being spoken. If a fleet of ships bearing the
> american flag appears, for instance, loudly proclaiming {mi'e lo merko,} I
> think it's pretty clear that the appropriate translation is "We're the
> Americans"/"We're America".

zo'o
Unless context overrules, e.g. in the case of Scandinavia and the World.

>
> mu'o
>
>
> On 11 August 2012 00:02, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> That seems to be exemplifying the difference between individual and
>> collective.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
>> > On Friday 10 August 2012 16:20:18 ianek wrote:
>> >> {lai}, {loi}, {lei} are not plural. A mass can be equally well
>> >> composed of one component. That said, I don't quite get what masses
>> >> are in Lojban, eg. why {lo matne} can't be a mass:
>> >> http://dag.github.com/cll/6/3/ Whether or not a mass is correct in the
>> >> context of Borg, plurality is not implied.
>> >
>> > If there is one stick of butter somewhere, it is equally correct to call
>> > it "lo matne" and "loi matne". If there are two or more sticks of
>> > butter,
>> > there is a semantic difference between "lo matne" and "loi matne", which
>> > is a
>> > bit hard to explain without some predicate. Butters don't carry pianos,
>> > or
>> > take any action, and they are subdivisible.
>> >
>> > Here's my example of "lo/loi" being the opposite of singular/plural:
>> > lo mi kerfa cu jdari .iku'i loi mi kerfa cu ranti
>> > My hairs are hard, but my hair is soft.
>> >
>> > Pierre
>> > --
>> > li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du
>> > li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci
>> >
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