On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:Good. Since it seems that my list isn't good enough (not even to be commented on), would you care making one?
Me? No. I just got done with a huge Lojban project (Lojban Gismu Audio), I'm currently in the process of applying that project (uploading the audio to the Memrise lesson), I don't see a need to make a jvajvo table- I mean, jvajvo are regular, you can determine what any of them are just by applying the rule(s), I'm not up to tackling another huge project, especially one I consider pointless, and I'm cerain it would be far easier for you to fix your table than to have someone else start one from scratch.
So, to reiterate, this is the rule for jvajvo: the second rafsi is the selbri. The first rafsi is the abstraction that fills the selbri's abstraction place, as the appropriate type of abstraction. The jvajvo's sumti fill first the places of the selbri in order excepting the abstraction place which is filled by the abstraction, and then if any remain fill the places of the abstraction in order.
Some examples:
rodgau = ko'a gasnu lonu ko'e broda ko'i ko'o ko'u fo'a
rodtce = ko'a mutce loka ko'i broda ko'o ko'u fo'a fo'e kei ko'e
rodyrai = ko'a traji loka ko'o broda ko'u fo'a fo'e fo'i kei ko'e ko'i
I don't believe there are any 5-place gismu that can be -bo'e, so the above is an example of each possible type of jvajvo. (Obviously the few 1-place gismu can't be -bo'e, either.)I'd like to make a cheat sheet and post it in the wiki as I did for the "periodic table of pro-sumti and pro-bridi", the attitutude/rethoric cmavo and the terminology mindmap!
remod--On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:47 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:
You're not suggesting that the same rule applies to {-me'a}, right?
Basically, yes.Ok, but if (following the {-gau} pattern)
{ko'a rodme'a ko'e ko'i ko'o ko'u fo'a}
means
{ko'a mleca lo su'u ko'e broda ko'i k'o' ko'u fo'a}
I fail to understand how something may be less than an abstraction. The problem is that mleca2 is the term of comparison.
Yes, in the case of rodme'a, it would be {mleca fi lo [ka/ni] broda}, hence the need for minor adjustments depending on the actual gismu in use.
In the list I made I try to accound for the difference in sumti places. Writing down the gloss in Lojban makes clear how each one shouldbe used
Maybe those changes in my list are the "adjustments" you mentioned?remo--
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