On 11.11.2013 18:04, Michael Turniansky wrote:
On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 9:21 AM, selpa'i <m3o@plasmatix.com> wrote:If you say it has no x2, then I assume you would say that in: mi klama je sutra lo tricu{lo tricu} actually fills klama3 and it fills neither klama2 nor sutra2. How can this be practically used? In which case it would mean:No, I would not say that. When I said " 'sutra je jipci' doesn't have an x2," I wasn't generalizing to _all_ broda JA brode. If you SPECIFY something in that spot, as in your sentence, you ARE saying the same as "mi klama gi'e sutra vau lo tricu" and you darn well better be using something that can fit both of the underlying x2 places (Which obviously "lo tricu" cannot) .
But there is something in that place either way. It's either something explicit, or it's {zo'e}.
What I was asserting was that since the set of all things that are both se sutra and se jipci is an empty set (as far as I can reasonably ascertain), it /de facto/ has no x2 place, not that it has no x2 place by nature of the construction.
Okay. In other words, there is an x2, but nothing can sensibly fill it. The moment you use it, the sentence becomes nonsense.
{.i sutra je jipci} is the same as {.i zo'e sutra je jipci zo'e}. It claims that something fills that x2.
Therefore as long as your sentence doesn't try to put something into that place, there is no problem with asserting the sentence "mi sutra je jipci" is meaningful (I guess, to put it another way, I amasserting that an implicit "zo'e" (but probably not, pe'i, an explicit"zo'e") in fact doesn't have to be something that can really exist.
A {zo'e} always has some value that makes the bridi true. But whatever the {zo'e} in {sutra je jipci}'s x2 is, it cannot make the bridi true (because no such value exists), so the whole predicate is faulty.
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