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Re: [lojban-beginners] Lujvo forming with cmavo rafsi
Luke, I just quoted you on the Suggestions for CLL second edition
page, in addition to reorganizing that page to include more topics.
I added a specific area for topics (like Lujvo) that appear in many
areas of the book and need to be checked for consistency as well as
updated.
-Alan
On Fri, Feb 04, 2011 at 03:02:00PM -0500, Luke Bergen wrote:
> Yeah, and if you read 4.5 you can find this lil' gem.
> """
> The lujvo representing a given tanru is built from units representing the
> component gismu. These units are called �rafsi� in Lojban. Each rafsi
> represents only one gismu. The rafsi are attached together in the order of
> the words in the tanru, occasionally inserting so-called �hyphen� letters
> to ensure that the pieces stick together as a single word and cannot
> accidentally be broken apart into cmavo, gismu, or other word forms. As a
> result, each lujvo can be readily and accurately recognized, allowing a
> listener to pick out the word from a string of spoken Lojban, and if
> necessary, unambiguously decompose the word to a unique source tanru, thus
> providing a strong clue to its meaning.
> """
> It seems like the writers of the CLL originally did really just think of
> lujvo as being shortened forms of tanru who have been given an explicit
> meaning instead of the vague meaning that tanru have.
> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Michael Turniansky
> <[1]mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 2011/2/3 Jorge Llamb�as <[2]jjllambias@gmail.com>
>
> Lujvo are never really based on tanru. Only the x1 of a lujvo may
> sometimes appear to be based on the x1 of a tanru made out of the same
> component gismu. It doesn't work for any other place than the x1.
>
> I have really no problem with that statement, but the CLL needs to be
> amended on that point. It specifically says:
>
> There is a close relationship between lujvo and tanru. In fact, lujvo
> are condensed forms of tanru:
>
> (chapter 12, second paragraph)
> --gejyspa
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