Re: [lojban-beginners] ko curmi le nu mi ninpengau do mi

[Stela Selckiku <selckiku@gmail.com>]

2010/9/4 Krzysztof Sobolewski <jezuch@interia.pl>:
> zo'o ko xamgu lo cnino jbopre
>
> (Is there a better word that I could use instead of "xamgu" here?)

I think "xamgu" works there, but you could also try "xendo" maybe?  (I
love the word "xendo".)

> mi'e la kcyctof. sobolefskis. no'u la iezux.

fi'i .iezux.

> What does actually "cilre" mean?
>
> The official definition is:
> x1 learns x2 (du'u) about subject x3 from source x4 (obj./event) by method x5 (event/process)

I'll give you my opinion of what it means.

cilre:  Someone who learns something.  They start off not knowing what
they're going to learn, and then after experiencing the xelcilre they
know it.
selcilre:  A fact that is learned.  Each time you cilre you know one
more fact than you did before.  The selcilre is a proposition about
the world, an identification of one or more things and a relationship
they have to each other and/or the world.
tercilre: A subject that the selcilre is related to.  After the
xelcilre the cilre knows a new fact involving the tercilre that they
didn't know before.
velcilre: A source of knowledge.  Someone or something that contains
or represents the selcilre.  The selcilre is somehow known or
contained or represented by the velcilre, such that you can do
something with the velcilre that will allow you to find out the
selcilre.
xelcilre: A way of finding something out.  This is what the cilre does
with the velcilre such that they come to know the selcilre.  If it's a
person who knows the fact, the xelcilre might be asking them.  If it's
a book that contains the fact, the xelcilre might be reading it.  If
the fact is implicit in an object, the xelcilre might be to examine
the object.

> mi cilre fi la lojban.
>
> Is it OK, or should I rather say:

That's OK.  It says that you learned one or more facts, and that those
facts are related to Lojban.  It doesn't say what the facts are, where
you learned them from, or how you learned them.

> mi tadni la lojban.

This is also OK.  It says that you studied Lojban, that you paid
attention to Lojban, that you investigated it and tried to find out
more about it.  (It doesn't imply that you necessarily successfully
found anything out about Lojban, but if you didn't then you didn't
tadni very well!)

> Or am I too picky? ;)

No worries!  This is like the world headquarters of pickiness.  That's
an even more widespread characteristic among Lojbanists than
left-handedness or typing on a Dvorak keyboard.  Welcome!

mi'e la stela selckiku
mu'o

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