Re: [lojban-beginners] mi kakne lo bajra

[Oren <get.oren@gmail.com>]

Thanks for the replies and explanations! The lo drata / lo nu drata
comparison helps a great deal.

But I don't yet fully comprehend "X2 IS an event or state, regardless
of what it might be.  If x2 starts with "lo nu", "lo za'i", etc. then
it's essentially superfluous
(other than to clarify if it's an event or a state).  But if it
doesn't such as "lo bajra", then it is an event or a state AS WELL AS
being a runner."

...Part of me feels like, at least when we look at the English
glosses, that the "lo drata/ lo nu drata" example has a readily
apparent semantic difference. To help me understand the generality of
this contrast, what precisely would be semantically different in the
original two cases. It seems to me that the two should be equivalent:

Lojban: { mi kakne lo bajra }
Parse: (x1: I) am capable of (x2 [FORCE-EVENT/STATE: "being a"] runner")
Gloss: "I'm capable of a running event"
English: (I can run)

Lojban: { mi kakne lo nu bajra }
Parse: (x1 I) am capable of (x2 [EXPLICIT-EVENT/STATE: "being a"] runner")
Gloss: "I'm capable of the event of (me?*) running"
English: (I can run)

ki'e .i co'o mi'e korbi

On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 15:43, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  I also might not have been very clear what the difference of my a)
> and b) above were.   So let me give it some context:
>
> a)  mi bajra .i mi kakne lo drata (I am capable of a event which is different)
>
> b)  mi bajra .i mi kakne lo nu drata.  (I am capable of the event of
> me being different)
>
>  a) I am running.  I can do something else (besides running).
>  b) I am running.  I can (also) be something other (than what I am,
> presumably, but not necessarily referring to runningness).
>
>           --gejyspa

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