[lojban] Re: le gusta co minde mutce

[tijlan <picos.picos@gmail.com>]

2008/11/10 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
> On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Adam D. Lopresto <adam@pubcrawler.org> wrote:
>>
>> I've always thought that {se ja'e ma} is the most general version.  It's
>> just
>> "as a result of", without specifying what kind of result.
>
> I think {se jalge} definitely covers {rinka}, but I'm not sure it
> covers all kinds of {mukti}. A motive can be an event that is
> (potentially) in the future of the event it motivates. Can a result
> occur before what it results from? For example:
>
>  lo nu mi ba te vecnu lo matne cu mukti lo nu mi klama le zarci
>  I will buy butter motivates I go to the market.
>  I go to the market to buy butter.
>
>  lo nu mi ba te vecnu lo matne cu krinu lo nu mi klama le zarci
>  I will buy butter is the reason I go to the market.
>  I go to the market because I will buy butter.
>
> both sound acceptable. I'm not sure about:
>
>  ? lo nu mi klama le zarci cu jalge lo nu mi ba te vecnu lo matne
>  ? I go to the market is the resut of I will buy butter.

In this case I think it's essential that we retain the "lo nu" parts
as we interpret the sentences:

 lo nu mi ba te vecnu lo matne cu mukti lo nu mi klama le zarci
 The (ideal) event "I will buy butter" motivates the (actual) event "I
go to the market".

 lo nu mi ba te vecnu lo matne cu krinu lo nu mi klama le zarci
 The (ideal) event "I will buy butter" justifies the (actual) event "I
go to the market".

 lo nu mi klama le zarci cu jalge lo nu mi ba te vecnu lo matne
 The (actual) event "I go to the market" results from the (ideal)
event "I will buy butter".


mu'o mi'e tijlan


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