[lojban] Re: le gusta co minde mutce

[tijlan <picos.picos@gmail.com>]

2008/11/13 Elias Friedman <skierb27@gmail.com>:

> It does not matter whether or not you said that "to buy butter" was an
> action, as it is an action regardlessly.

The fact that the linguistic unit contains a verb does not necessarily
mean its utterer has a factual action in mind. It basically means the
utterer is signifying an *idea* of an action/verb.


> "To buy butter" is not an
> intention.  Whether or not one can be motivated by ideas is not relevant, as
> "to buy butter" is not a motivational idea.
> Whether or not "I will buy butter" is an action or an idea is not relevant;
> "I will buy butter" is still not an intention.
> If someone recalled his or her intent to buy butter, the intent is not a
> motive for the person to recall the state "I have run out of butter, and I
> need butter"; rather, the person would be motivated to recall such a state
> by his or her desire or need to recall.
> "I need butter" is a mukti, as "I need butter" is a motive for an event, the
> purchase of butter; "I have run out of butter" is a krinu, as "I have run
> out of butter" is the reason for the person's need of butter.
> A person's will by itself cannot serve as a motive, as a motive is a reason
> for someone to do something.
> Although a person's intention can condition his or her action, his or her
> intention is not a condition.

I'm not going to insist on my point any more. I'm prepared to
interpret "to buy butter" in either way. I'll let usage decide.
English is not even my first language. I have no reason to specify how
Lojban should interact with English.


mi'e tijlan


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