Re: [lojban] The efficacy of Lojban's grammar.

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> hmm, so I parsed it correctly then?

You only forgot the "kei".

> So how does that translate into "be
> the experiencer of a good morning"?  The x2 of {cerni} (ko in the sentence)

No, the x2 of "cerni" was left empty.

> is the day of which the morning is.  So wouldn't..... oh, nevermind, I just
> got it.  The {li'i} would make the x2 into the experiencer or something.

Right, "ko" is not filling the x2 of "cerni", it is filling the x2 of
"li'i zo'e cerni zo'e zo'e kei", a different predicate.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

> 2010/4/10 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > ta'o
>> >> "lo melbi ko
>> >> li'i cerni" (have a beautiful morning, or literally, be the
>> >> experiencer of a beautiful experience of a morning).
>> >
>> > I'm having a little trouble parsing this myself.  Let's see.  {lo melbi
>> > ko
>> > li'i cerni}  ->  {lo melbi ku cu li'i cerni ko} ?
>> >
>> > Could someone with a bit more knowledge break it down correctly for me?
>>
>> {lo melbi (ku) cu li'i cerni (vau) kei ko (vau)}
>>
>> You can't elide "kei" if you put "ko" at the end.
>>
>> > How
>> > many sumti are there, which chunk is the selbri (if any), etc...
>>
>> "li'i cerni (vau) (kei)" is the selbri, "lo melbi (ku)" and "ko" are
>> its two sumti.
>>
>> Remember that "NU .... (KEI)" converts a bridi, in this case the bridi
>> "(zo'e) cerni (zo'e) (zo'e) (vau)" into the selbri: "li'i (zo'e) cerni
>> (zo'e) (zo'e) (vau) (kei)".
>>
>> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>>
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