On Mon, 12 Apr 2010, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 06:53:53AM -0400, Stela Selckiku wrote:On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 11:59 PM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:When I'm in practice, my statements pass the formal parser (mine, not the official on) on the order of 95 times out of a hundred. I'd wager real money on that. Certainly 8 or 9 out of 10 is true for all the serious speakers on IRC.Agreed! It's quite easy actually to speak properly parsing Lojban. Most of the time it's entirely habitual, not so much using your understanding of the grammar directly, but rather pattern-recognizing a wide variety of familiar conventional forms. It's only rarely that you produce or encounter a sentence shape that dips into the complexities of the grammar to find something new.Just for the record, you just agreed with *arosta*, not with me. :) I was asserting that people actually *do* use the formal grammar internally, and you're asserting you don't. I'm OK with being an exception on this, though, as long as what people say still parses. :)
I can't speak for whether you're an outlier or not, but I feel as though I work from an internal grammar as well. It is *certainly* not as detailed as the actual grammar (with all of its empty nodes and such), but it is very similar in its structure (and it is my intent to make it even closer).
For instance I'm reminded of my recent joy at the phrase "lo melbi ko li'i cerni" (have a beautiful morning, or literally, be the experiencer of a beautiful experience of a morning).Oh, that *is* quite neat.
Thanks! mu'i mi'e la xalbo ku noi finti de'u -- Adam Lopresto http://cec.wustl.edu/~adam/ By relieving the brain of all unnecessary work, a good notation sets it free to concentrate on more advanced problems, and in effect increases the mental power of the race. Before the introduction of the Arabic notation, multiplication was difficult, and the division even of integers called into play the highest mathematical faculties. Probably nothing in the modern world would have more astonished a Greek mathematician than to learn that...a large proportion of the population of Western Europe could perform the operation of division for the largest numbers. This fact would have seemed to him a sheer impossibility...our modern power of easy reckoning with decimal fractions is the almost miraculous result of gradual discovery of a perfect notation. --Alfred North Whitehead -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.