Re: [lojban] Active-stative?

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 7:44 AM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there any BAI which can generically be used to translate a non-abstract
> accusative/absolutive object of a natlang predicate?

I think "accusative" and "absolutive" are morphosyntactic categories.
There is no syntactic category named that in Lojban. Of the five core
syntactic cases, x2 would be the most likely candidate to be called
"accusative" if you must use that name. There isn't really any of the
five cases that could happily be called "absolutive", but if you must
choose one it would have to be x1. (It wouldn't make much sense to use
both "accusative" and "absolutive" as part of the same analysis
though.)

BAIs correspond to semantic roles, such as "patient". The semantic
role "patient" is in nominative-accusative languages normally marked
with the accusative case, in ergative-absolutive languages it is
normally marked with the absolutive case.

I would say that the BAI that most closely corresponds to "patient" is "ri'i".

>In other words, how can
> we rephrase "da de citka" by means of BAI? Could it be:
>
>  zu'e da tezu'e de citka

I think more like:

   zu'e da ri'i de citka

> I'm not sure what English "end" exactly means for "zukte"s x3. Is it
> supposed to exclude non-abstract sumti like "citka"s x2 here?

A te zukte is the goal for doing the se zukte:

   mi zukte lo nu mi citka kei lo nu mi na xagji

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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