Re: [lojban] Re: {le} in xorlo (was: Re: Response to Robin's "Essay on the future of Lojban"

[John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>]

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From: Daniel Brockman <dbrockman@gmail.com>
To: lojban <lojban@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thu, April 22, 2010 5:54:47 PM
Subject: [lojban] Re: {le} in xorlo (was: Re: Response to Robin's "Essay on  the future of Lojban"

On Apr 12, 8:20 pm, And Rosta <and.ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm also wondering whether there exists an experimental
> specific KOhA, a nonanaphoric "it/them". (I think I used to
> use "le du" in lieu of such.)

I've been using {le co'e} for this for quite a while, and I too
wish I had a KOhA for it.  It feels like a language hole.

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By the way, I think the non-veridical aspect of {le} ought to
be dropped (rendering {le blabi zdani cu cusku} invalid.)
Why conflate two separate semantics in one gadri?  Let's
just have {le blabi zdani} mean {zo'e'e noi blabi zdani}.
These basic gadri need to be simple and well-defined, and
we're almost there with xorlo.

{Sorry, but doesn't 'noi' exactly amount to "what I am calling" with no guarantees?]

After all, if you want to talk about the White House, why not
simply say {la blabi zdani}?

And if you want to talk about a computer mouse, just make a
vague tanru and say {lo smacu co'e} (rather than {le smacu}).

Right?  Who uses the non-veridicality anyway?
[Notoriously, Mickey Spillane and whoever wrote the Crying Game.  And that is just in a short span of time and a limited number of works.}
--
Daniel Brockman
daniel@brockman.se

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