Re: [lojban] Re: Named multiples

[Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>]

Is it unreasonable to say that {coi pendo} = {coi la pendo} but that {la pendo} does not necessarily mean that "pendo" is the persons legal name, but rather just what I am calling them.

"buddy" is an actual person's name but it's also a generic word like "friend" when used in greetings.  So if someone comes up to me and says "hey buddy" I don't correct him and say "no, my name is luke" I just assume that that's what he's choosing to reference me as, and that's really all that names are anyway.  

On the other hand, if someone comes up to me and says "hey ugly" I again would not correct them about my name.  I would just assume that they are choosing to reference me by the string of sounds "ugly" because they believe it to be a useful reference to me by way of the semantic information contained in the string (the jerks).

tldr; my vote: {coi pendo} = {coi la pendo} = {coi la'e lo'u pendo le'u} since {la} just means "the referent of the string of sounds that follow".  Let context determine whether that string of sounds contains semantic information or is just a bunch of random sounds.

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Lindar <lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I often use "doi pendo", "doi dirba", "doi patfu", etc with no "la" implied.

Hm. Well, maybe it should be the other way, then?

> I think "coi xalbo" could be "coi la xalbo" or "coi lo xalbo"
> depending on context, no need to rule either out. You can always use
> the gadri explicitly if confusion is possible or likely.

I don't like that idea. It seems like that is precisely what Lojban is
trying to avoid. Isn't Lojban supposed to be "completely regular and
without exception"?
Either way, I do not at all like the idea of leaving it up to context.
It needs to be one or the other. Having both be {la} is more
consistent, having selbri imply {le} makes more sense.

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