Re: [lojban] Jbofi'e working

["A. PIEKARSKI" <totus@rogers.com>]

Krzysztof,

See my commenst below
:

> 
> > lu ma lojbo valsi zoi py.rodak.py li'u drani
> 
> ki'anai ki'e
> 
> > .i.ua mi facki
> > 
> > Polish
> > (culture) po'olska
> 
> From the very beginning I was looking for Polish stuff among lojban words and 
>now I'm sad to find that there's not even a gismu for it! What's more, "polska" 
>is a lujvo that means "colors of Polynesia" ;)

> 
> > Polish
> > (language) bangrpolska
> 
> Yeah, but Polish is an inflected language and spelling it as "bangrpolski" 
>(note the ending, from "język polski") was a kind of a political statement 
>zo'osai On the other hand gugdrpolska is about right in that regard, unless you 
>think of "państwo polskie" (and if I was really, really mean, I would say 
>gugdrjetcpospolita)

What 'political statement' does it make?

> 
> > (Above from jbovlaste)
> > Polish
> > (Polish language) banpu'olu
> > 
> >  (I believe this one is based on the ISO code.)
> 
> Well, ISO code for Poland is pl or pol. The latter is a rafsi for polno, as I 
>demonstrated above...
> -- 

There have been many debates over the years about cultural gismu.  I suspect 
(but don't know)
that most lojbanists consider having cutural gismu was a big mistake.  
Furthermore, the choice 

of countries to have their own gismu defies rational explanation.  Tunisia yes, 
but India no????

Having said that, I must say that the gismu are there, fixed in concrete, so 
that's that!

A number of people hace tried to come up with lujvo and fu'ivla alternatives 
(which is not 

the same as 'replacements').  The ISO approach was chosen because it is based on 

a neutral (relatively) system of codes that allows one 'algorithm' to generate 
fui'vla for all 

6,000 or so ISO-recognized languages.  The alternative would be to agonize every 
time there 

was a need to create a valsi for each of those languages.

If you would like to know more about the process used, contact Leo Molas 
leos.molas@gmail.com 

who did most of the work on this.  Better yet, maybe somebody else reading this 
can forward the 

relevent old emails on this list.


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