Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation

[John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>]

Quite right, but the pattern I was pointed to was the addition of -cai and -nai, 
which didn't change any of the basic character the base UI as first person 
emotions.  Once 'pei' got out of that analogy, the rest fell into place (or 
maybe it was the other way round).  The bridiness of 'pei' and its answer is not 
a sticking point but a place where I am still uncomfortable, because it looks 
like something it is not (of course, you may think it is what it looks like and 
I don't. I don't suppose this is going to make much different in our usage until 
we come across a case where the answer is suspect and the I will say the person 
is lying and you will say he is not sincere, or something like that).



----- Original Message ----
From: Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, December 2, 2010 2:01:40 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:20 AM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I have, happily, finally figured out what y'all haven't been telling me: the
> fundamental meaning of the discursives is not first person expression, as
> the literature might lead one to believe, but merely to indicate a
> particular scale.

  Drat! I was (seriously) about to try that tack with you, saying that
I didn't see hte "firstpersonness" as being inherent in the UI.  But
that's what happens when I'm behind, and threads continuously evolve
and get pushed off deeper in the stack of gmail to read.

My SECONDARY tack would have been to say, "even IF firstpersonhood
were inherent in UI, what's the problem with a transformational word?
After all "a bu" doesn't mean "I'm saying a sumti
disjunction...whoops, I'm not, it's the letter A".    Nor does "re
mei" mean "there are two of... oh, wait, I mean something is a duet".
Plenty of lojban words completely change the meanings of preceeding
words.  Why can't "pei" mean, "if you were to say the previous word,
how would you do so, including any modifiers thereunto?"...or
something like that?  (I know, I know, that would be a whole bridi the
way I express, but hopefully, that's not gonn abe the sticking
point)."
              --gejyspa

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