Re: Out of the mouths of babes (was Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language))

[John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>]

Skimmed a bit.  So far mainly Mother and Investigator and very early child, but 
I expect to find something closer to the target age as I go along -- and less of 
Mama.  But it is still (so far) all in forced, interview environment, so not 
truly representative.  Still, better than naught.




----- Original Message ----
From: Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
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Sent: Mon, January 10, 2011 10:57:43 AM
Subject: Re: Out of the mouths of babes (was Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop 
saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language))

  It does.  Look at it.

On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:25 AM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I think that just pulling out the words or concepts would not do the trick. 
 We
> need to be able to cover what the child *says*, not merely the words s/he uses
> individually, especially since the words turn out in context to have a variety
> of meanings, often far from the base.  I haven't look at the db, but if it 
does
> not include conversations -- and fairly long ones at that -- it will 
ultimately
> not be satisfactory (that is, it wi;; leave it open for critics to say we have
> not made our case.)
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>
> To: lojban@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Mon, January 10, 2011 8:52:40 AM
> Subject: Out of the mouths of babes (was Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop 
>saying
> that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language))
>
> On Sun, Jan 09, 2011 at 06:44:17AM -0500, Bob LeChevalier, President
> and Founder - LLG wrote:
>> John E Clifford wrote:
>> >Portable recorder (a pen size say) and transcription at the end
>> >of each day.  Textbooks cover very little of a typical
>> >10-year-old's life, nor would adding in books, tv and games cover
>> >the whole very well.
>>
>> I believe that there already exist such corpora; I had access to
>> one several years ago, called CHILDES.  I don't remember the age
>> range.
>>
>> http://childes.psy.cmu.edu/  seems to be the current site, and it
>> looks like they've accomplished a lot since I last looked.
>
> That looks really complicated.  If there's a way to extract "here's
> a list of words/concepts that any language should/must be able to
> easily express", I don't see how to do it.  If you could explore the
> site to find that, it would be really helpful.
>
> -Robin
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