Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable

["John E. Clifford" <kali9putra@yahoo.com>]

Well, you would, of course.  But a Classifier that is only implicit, never overt, is somewhat suspect linguistically.  And that view does go against 55 years of history (with occasional odd moments).

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On Oct 21, 2011, at 17:55, Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:52 AM, And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Martin Bays, On 21/10/2011 05:12:
>>> 
>>> But {lo PA broda cu broda} is meant to be a tautology. Half-apples
>>> aren't apples.
> 
> Unless you use a Banach-Tarski knife to cut them in two.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banach%E2%80%93Tarski_paradox
> 
>> So {lo pi mu plise cu plise} fails that test, but {lo pi mu djacu cu djacu}
>> passes it.
> 
> What about:
> 
>    lo pi mu grana cu grana
>    lo pi mu pluta cu pluta
>    lo pi mu girzu cu girzu
>    lo pi mu pagbu cu pagbu
>    lo pi mu namcu cu namcu?
> 
>> Following a line of thought that that observation initiates, I note that b
>> the Goatleg rule, {su'o plise} is okay but {su'o djacu} is not and would
>> instead have to be {za'u djacu} or {ci'i djacu}.
> 
> Instead of saying that all Lojban predicates are count, I'd rather say
> that they are all mass, and that quantifiers induce an implicit
> classifier on them, which is often context dependent.
> 
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
> 
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