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Re: [lojban] gender

I totally agree with John! So then back to lojban. Do you agree that it's reasonable to use terganti for biological sex (also your official sex, registered at the authorities) and tercinse for social constructed and/or self-identified/performative sexuality/gender? Grammatical gender is apparently just a special case of word classification and should presumably use something else than zilselgencinse or similar.

Even if there are more factors than your gametes (shape of external genitalia, presence of ovary (also ganti), hormones) which define your biological sex, usually ganti is what governs those other factors, so that's why I think terganti is a good choice here.
When it comes to tercinse I like the concept that sexual orientation and gender is mixed together and left vague. If you need to specify exactly what you mean you can do it with tanru or lujvo.
/jongausib

2011/11/8 John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com
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Well, at least we have gotten grammar out.  The remaining notions of gender and
sex (and whatever other terms have come along to sort these out a  bit) are
separate enough (though the terminology is not standardized yet) to start
getting away from the confusions that working with one or two terms raise.  To
be sure, for most people most of these notions run more or less together, but
for a significant number they do not and it would seem ti desirab;e thing to
sort them out eventually and not continue lumping them together into that couple
of terms and their compounds (which often are based on rather disparaging
notions, alas).


----- Original Message ----
From: vitci'i <celestialcognition@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 7, 2011 2:55:10 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] gender

On 11/07/2011 02:29 PM, John E. Clifford wrote:
> But fosters the notion that these various concepts are somehow related beyond
>the accidents of English vocabulary.

But sociologically assigned gender, biological sex at birth, biological
sex constructed by surgery, personal identification, etc. *are*
entangled -- not identical, but not easily separable either, and if
nothing else then at least moderately-strongly correlated.

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