Re: [lojban] baby words, but general relevance: dai-like cmavo

[Craig Daniel <craigbdaniel@gmail.com>]

On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> I waffle on this one so much.  I kind of wish that "attitudinals" were not
> defined as "how the speaker feels" but more generically like "equivalent to
> the grunts and such from other languages".  e.g. it would be nice (as I'm
> guessing Robin is making reference to) the sound one makes when they see a
> kid running and suddenly fall and skin their knee or some such.  In english
> this sound is "ooooo" while making a "grimace" expression.  Expressing this
> is not a semantic statement with at truth value so for we jbopre, it feels
> like it should be an attitudinal.
> So what should it be?  I don't feel pain.  I feel sympathy because I observe
> you feeling pain.

I basically agree, and I certainly agree that what you're looking for
in that example is ".oidai" (and/or ".uu,") but I think there's a
distinction to be drawn between me expressing sympathy/empathy with
pain (.oidai) and actually directly expressing pain felt by another
being (which expression inherently runs the risk of being wrong, and
needs a truth value).

 - mi'e .kreig.

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