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Re: [lojban] "Any" and {ro}
Am 27.08.2012 18:00, schrieb la gleki:
I was hinting at a scale (specific/ non-specific). It's something that
was completely lost after xorlo reform ({le} meant some objects that I
have in mind and therefore worked much like an attitudinal. I'm not
suggesting restoring pre-xorlo rules, of course).
lo is as specific as you want it to be, you can pick the zo'e. da is
never specific, because it has no value.
I must acknowledge that {ro da zo'u mi su'omu'ei citka da} solves the
problem (and I want exactly this sentence rephrased without {zo'u}
like it's possible to do in English).
But if adding {e'o} turns it into "For every bunch of apples, make it
the case that you could give me three out of the bunch."
then it's not a solution.
Why for every bunch? Don't you want three apples from this particular
basket?
"any" (in this sense) is {su'o} number of apples from the set in the
basket.
If we have 4 apples (numbered from 1 to 4) then "Give me three apples
from the basket" would mean in all possible worlds ({romu'ei} ?) one
of the following:
123
124
134
234
So here "Give me any three apples" = "In every possible world give me
exactly three apples out of the 4 from that basket."
Using ro mu'ei for this is quite extreme. It would include worlds in
which one of the persons got shot, and still you want that other person
to give you the apples anyway. I don't think mu'ei is at all needed
here, and it's awkward to involve possible words in a command as
concrete as the one at hand.
ko dunda ci plise [pe lo lanka] mi
"Make it true that you give me three apples from the basket, it
doesn't matter which three."
"Give me any three apples from the basket."
Adding ro mu'ei would be a nice way to make this very impolite and bossy.
mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
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