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Re: [lojban] "Any" and {ro}
la gleki, On 28/08/2012 05:07:
Yes, if we create ad-hoc cmavo {su'ai} it will look like
da su'ai - any (doesn't matter what exactly apples I need)
da su'ainai - some specific apples
1.- Where are you going?
2.- To buy some food [some specific food, namely apples but I haven't tell you yet]
3.- Well, I can buy food for you myself
4.- No, I need some specific food. Apples.
5.- Ah, I see.
In 2. we could use {da}/{cidja}.
In 4. we could use {da su'ainai}/{cidja sua'inai}
The ambiguity of (2) is specific to English. It shouldn't arise with Lojban, setting aside all the uncertainty about the rules for deriving logical formulas from Lojban setences (because those uncertainties would be fixed by adding new official interpretation rules, not by adding new cmavo).
la gleki, On 28/08/2012 17:39:
OK. Please everyone translate the following sentences.
1. "I'm gonna eat three apples from that basket" [some specific apples, namely the red one. the yellow one and the green one but I'm too lazy to mention it]
I suspect that {ba} does not create irrealis environments, so using {ba'oi} instead [-- I mean the future-oriented mu'ei, if I've misremembered the form]:
a. "ci plise mi ro ba'oi se citka"
b. "mi ro ba'oi citka le ci plise"
c. "mi ba citka le ci plise"
(a--c) don't mean the same thing, but are consistent with (1).
I assume "ci plise" is still equivalent to "ci da poi plise"
2. "I'm gonna eat any three apples from that basket"
"mi ro ba'oi citka ci plise"
3. "Give me any three apples from the basket"
"e'o do dunda ci plise mi"
4. "Give me three apples from the basket" [not known whether I need some specific apples or not]
I don't think there's a way of expressing that ambiguity. For the reading where not just any apples will necessarily do:
"ci plise e'o do mi se dunda"
"e'o do dunda le ci plise mi"
--And.
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