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Re: [lojban] Re: A new Lojbanic wiki (LMW). On the threshold of the 25th anniversary of Lojban



On Saturday, December 1, 2012 4:03:26 AM UTC+4, entot wrote:
It's not a question of if the default language is English or not. It's a question of whether we present a Lojban-only page to a newcomer. I think showing a Lojbanic interface and Lojban-only content to a newcomer is not friendly.

Well, one new suggestion on how the main page might look like.
http://www.wikipedia.org/
So we can offer a menu where any visitor can choose their default language.

Also LMW now automatically changes it's interface according to browser settings of anonymous visitors. I think we should find a way to make LMW change the content of pages accordingly.


If the primary language is Lojban, are you, doi la gleki. .e la .iesk., fine with importing all the pages from TWiki to LMW? Lots of them are in English.

As tsani said we would be forced to translate most pages  to Lojban. Many non-English speakers are interested in Lojban so it will also force other people  to translate the pages to their native languages.

I'm fine with importing all pages in English. We mustnot remove any helpful information no matter in what language it is written.



ni'o

I'm holding off any work I said or hinted I'd be doing (working on the community portal and migrating) until I get a clear picture of what the site organization is going to be [1]:

* Who is the target audience?

Anyone interested in Lojban, Sapir-Whorf, logic, philosophy, linguistics in general and anyone just interested in socialising with other people all over the world (in case if this person wants either help us in something or considers learning Lojban no matter what their reasons in learning Lojban are).

* What content will it have, in what language?

All pages  must have lojbanic version, even if it would be a short version of English "original". As for other languages we must try to translate the most important pages to other world languages.


As far as I understand, there are two interests at hand:

* Target audience: Lojban speakers
* Content: Anything in Lojban? / Translation projects, Lojbanic writings, Lojbanists index

* Target audience: Lojban learners
* Content: Learning materials in English and other languages around the world

If this is the case, I think it's not out of the question to maintain two separate wikis for each: lojban.org and ckule.lojban.org.

I think even the old wiki separates these things. It's just not polished. Anyway we could prefix titles of pages for beginners with "nintadni/" or something.
or (even better) use page categories.

 
In MediaWiki, there is a way to share the extensions folder and such to lessen the admininstrative task. If there are corresponding pages between the two, they can be linked to each other in the way Wikipedia links pages in other languages.

Any thoughts?

[1] This is partly an excuse to focus my time on helping CLL1.1; I'm not a good multitasker.

Are you working on CLL1.1???? i'ecai. I think in this case you should be exempted from any other activity in Lojbanistan cuz CLL1.1 is the primary goal ))).


mu'o

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